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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 19, 2006 8:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: MP3 vs lossless

Pardon another return of sorts to a topic no doubt addressed before...nonetheless: I assume that most of the regulars here are 'lossless only' listeners in that the dreaded MP3 file, as I've heard it called, is to be avoided if at all possible. As a techno neophyte, but also a person that for much of his life analyzed sounds (biological) I am having difficulty seeing the problem. Don't get me wrong, I can detect a difference, but that said, I do not detect a meaningful difference in terms of listening pleasure. I am simply missing it?

This is certainly colored by my Luddite tendencies as I have trouble doing much of anything with software I must download, etc., which is ironic given my professional training in the area 30 yrs ago (but hey, a lot has changed; we used to have to have a $10k machine to analyze sounds that can be done with a $50 software program today!). Perhaps I am also so used to the tapes of the 60s and 70s that I welcomed the MP3s with open arms as they are a huge improvement over those tapes.

Any thoughts on pluses and minuses of MP3 and more to the point, why I should see the light and move myself ahead in the wonderful world of acoustic technology?

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Nov 19, 2006 8:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

It is nice to find the highest quality recording of a show, but that being said: An MP3 copy of a show ALWAYS sounds better than NO copy!!!!

Just like the old days, you take whatever copy you can get and upgrade later if possible.

Just a hellava lot easier to get a copy now!

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Nov 19, 2006 9:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

Totally agree! I'd hate to deny myself the pleasure of enjoying a particular show just because i don't have or can't find a lossless version, and mp3 is all there is. Have many shows in mp3 only.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Nov 19, 2006 10:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

Personally, i have no problem with mp3 files for listening. And it's pretty much what i listen to through my computer speakers if that's where i'm at. My appreciation and preference for lossless files comes to the fore when i want to play and crank up the sounds (whatever the band/artist) via CD on the stereo set up, which is somewhat dated and does not play mp3 format, but more importantly i like the lossless medium because i love giving disks away and lossless is where it's at when it comes to that game.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 19, 2006 9:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

I do appreciate that; I have most of my dearly beloved 68 and 69 shows as MP3s, but a few that were sent to me by folks (like you all at this forum no doubt), including the 9-19-70 show I so love, and the seamless, high quality sound of DS--StStephen--NFA--CCat etc is really great to listen to over the stereo relative to the MP3s I also have of that show...

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Poster: orchiddoctor Date: Nov 19, 2006 1:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

Let's see. First tapes . . . . hmmm . . . . hisssy nth generation sbds or even worse audiences or scratchy vinyl--but oh so precious. MP3 is an amazing improvement over the dark ages. Fast, expedient, doesn't take up too much space.
Besides my 54 year old ears cannot tell the difference. I don't have a state of the art sound system--mostly I play cds as I drive.

Who am I to care either way?

That having been said, I do believe it to be important to honor the wishes of those who have cleaned the tapes up and digitally restored them and shared them. If they don't want you to pass mp3 copies around, don't. It will pollute the stream. Listen in mp3, and if you do pass it on, label it as mp3.

Meantime, just listen to the music play . . . . . . . .

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 19, 2006 3:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

Well said...that said, I did just make the grade, downloaded shns of 13 Oct 68 (think you'd appreciate) and convert using Trader's Little Helper, and I am now listening (in awe) to the show I thought couldn't get any better...my MP3s will live on, constituting the majority of my collection, but this is sweet...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 19, 2006 4:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

i pretty much agree with everything that has been said too. to be honest, alot of my mp3 shows have a lot better sound than some of the lossless shows just due to the original source board of which there is no lossless copy available - i hear no "major" difference anyways. alot of people are WAY TOO ANAL when it comes to mp3's and i just don't get it (just by personal opinion) - although when i trade - i do give warning if what i am sending is or may be mp3. i personally could care less if someone send me one - i just love the music - i dont have a stick up my ass like many others - seems pretty "hoity toity" to me imho (i dont think too many LMA traders have too many ass sticks either to my knowledge)

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Nov 19, 2006 5:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

At least they don't do ass to mouth with kids like you.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 19, 2006 5:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

you are watching way too much porn man - you need some help

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Nov 19, 2006 5:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

I am making porn right now with your family.. and they suck in bed... literally.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Nov 19, 2006 5:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

Hey Douchebag. Yeah You. Pick up your shit and move along. Your sense of humor is pathetic and disrespecting a longstanding member of this community surely invokes the exact kind of asshole that you are. Your original post was proof positive of an utter lack of knowledge and courtesy that usually accompany a newbie's self introduction to these boards. Even idiots are sometimes tolerable, but sonny, you done crossed the line...and Mister Earl Sez So.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 19, 2006 5:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

thank for the backing earl - i thought his original post was horrendous too (although i am very guilty of eggin the whole thing on - shocking huh?? - i am such an ass some times - to a fault, but this one was just too easy)

almost thought i misread it for a moment til you chimed in - thanks for the verification since i didnt reread his original post. glad i wasn't wrong - peace my friend

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Nov 19, 2006 6:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

Please dude, using newbie and all that lingo...acting like this is some sacred tradition? taking that asshole's side will demonstrate you are just as much of a hypocrit... yes I was being sarcastic in my original post in the beginning... who didn't know that? another person proves once again that the lack of sense of humor is REAL... unbelievable... my experiment stands the test of time decade after decade... hardcore hippies cannot relax and have a chuckle...

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Poster: doc drennan Date: Nov 19, 2006 6:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

you ttg are a piece of trash!!!! i want to kick your ass for talking to dire wolf like that. i,ll be glad to give you my address. meet you any time any where

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Nov 19, 2006 6:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

I don't fight people, maybe we could meet, have some drinks and I could fuck you in the ass? You are a girl right?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 19, 2006 6:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

the drinks sound good - but i aint your grandma so the ass part is out

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Nov 19, 2006 6:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

I think that was directed to the other guy who wanted to kick my ass for talking that way to you... My grandma wont do the anal anyway... old fashioned... Notice the change in atmosphere or is that me realizing I am out of weed?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 19, 2006 6:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

atmosphere is changing - we are gettin cooler man - think we are of the same ilk - fun to fight but funner to drink together

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 19, 2006 6:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

LMA trip to West Palm Beach anyone - lol. The dog track is awesome for a nice night of dinner, drinking and betting. nice nite for all, plus a beat down of the 80's dude (i hope you all looked at his jpeg - i still haven't stopped laughing)

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Nov 19, 2006 6:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

That is a old friend named Art and he pissed his pants and fell down the steps right after that.. and it was in 1989 when I took the picture... I never said I would fist fight you... I just wanted you to step into my apartment so I could legally shoot you. We passed a neat law in October here in Florida. And imagine a bunch of angry deadheads coming after me... funny stuff man...funny... I hope you tire of this soon... my buzz is wearing off and I was supossed to be working on some deals for work tommorow... anyone watching Glen Beck right now? Messed up shit on Jihad in schools...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 19, 2006 6:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

kind figured you wouldnt want to legally fight me - not many do 6'2" 220lbs - weapons work better against me and make me quickly turn away. i dont do weapons - im a chicken shit unless its fist to fist. i certainly dont always win, but i win more than i lose :)

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Nov 19, 2006 6:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

Well I aint quite that tall but I got you by about 20 pounds and I used to fight skinheads in mosh pits for fun so it probably would have been interesting. I play guitar so I try not to throw down (broken fingers and all!)... and most of my guns got stolen so I don't want to lose the rest in some long drawn out court case anyway... peace. It would be funnier to wait till we are 80 years old to scrap anyway... walkers and canes flying...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 19, 2006 6:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

yeah - ive had enough broken bones in the past five years to last a lifetime. and i play guitar too - so like you, that would suck.

i agree - lets have a drag out fight at 80 years old - my walker will kick your walkers ass - lol. too funny man. peace man - we've had our pissing contest - lets get along and discuss some good shit. all in good fun - still would love to have a beer with ya when i head down to Palm Beach (as long as your guns are holstered - lol)

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Nov 19, 2006 6:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

This is classic... angry fucking hippies... he started this.. READ BEFORE YOU TALK... typical midless people following mindless people... You are a digrace to what the dead was all about, and I can joke about MY DEAD RELATIVES ANYWAY I WANT... they were not yours... Joking about the DEAD... the irony... Am I the only one who sees the humor in all this? You do know it was a joke right? Seriously... stop with the petty insults and read the posts in order... or do you fear the truth? You can all get mad all you want... it only proves my point again and again... I will never stop by the way... I am out of my fucking my mind.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Nov 19, 2006 7:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless



Hey jerk, aka Telephone Toughguy, what's up with you!? I just logged on and read through all your venemous and sophmoric verbiage, and frankly, whatever retorts and responses you made toward Direwolf, Earl, or anyone else, certainly don't paint you very well. You keep talking about all the music you've uploaded, your great success and income, always stroking your ego, and the obvious need to feel big about yourself. Sorry, it doesn't translate into the image of a very healthy person. You ask that one "stop with the petty insults and read the posts in order", whilst forgetting that the vast majority of people who post on this forum are well familiar with the virtual personalities of the various participants, or even familiar via e-mail or US Post. In other words, you can lob your filth at Dire or anyone else here, all day and all night, but i just gotta tell you, you ain't comin' off too well, if at all. In addition, if you had been a long time participant, you would have come to realize the vast and assorted range of opinions and personalities and types of persons who post here, and that your characterization of all members here on the forum as the stereotyped hippie 'deadhead' way off target. So great, i'm glad you came here, found mostly what you were looking for, but perhaps you, and your buddy, should go flourish and wallow in a forum more to your nature, somewhere perchance that welcomes people with your poor taste and lack of insight and intelligence.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 19, 2006 8:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

well said arbuthnot!!! (with less vulgarity than i used- lol) - right on man

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Nov 19, 2006 8:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

Believe me you, i had to really hold back and write with a bit of levity, understanding that things can get real out-of-hand real quick 'round here, especially with you at the helm! But damn, i missed out on all the fun! But not to worry my friend, your claws were in fine form tonite ... damn, i need a drink after reading all that. Peace to you Dire

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 19, 2006 8:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

i just had to sharpen my claws tonite with that dude - making jokes about ones own dead just doesn't sit well with me. could care less about his callousness with Jerry and his clueslessness with his death. handing his dad ( i think) a dollar tip at his own grandfathers funeral is just tantamount to pure evil. my claws just would not retract - ive been good for too long - i needed release and that loser fell right my lap.

my apologies to anyone not used to my vitriolic posts (usually of the past) - was just needed this night.

hope you are doing well Arbuth :)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 19, 2006 6:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

you are out of your mind and you are the only one who sees the humor in this (other than your moronic friend whatever his name is). dude, you are clueless, out of your element, not a deadhead, and completely outnumbered on this site. Do you know who we are??? do you know who i am???? take a look at the "About IA" at the top of the screen - click that - look at archive statistics - and look at archive posters - check out my name - i'll have you banned from this site before you can think of your grandma's cock again (i still haven't figured that one out). check out the rest of our names on that list - where is your's 80's boy - go post your dribble and pathetic music somewhere else. you are puny - go pickly smootch your grandpa errr grandma errtr whatever

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Nov 19, 2006 6:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

Sarcasm? Humor? Didn't read anything approaching either. Taking sides? Not really, just pointing out that you're in a pissing contest where the sides have already been drawn. Dropping the whole thing would be the wisest thing to do, but it's a free country and you can draw this out as long as you wish. just don't think you're getting a whole bunch of respect for it.

...and yes, I did see that you were called out, and the way you handled it was equally as unhumorous as the original post. I'd hate to go through life having a need to defend inane thinking like that, I think I'd just excuse myself and move on to more productive territory.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 19, 2006 6:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

joking about the dead at a funeral is not humor in any context - lay off Earl loser - this is between you and me pretty 80's boy.

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Nov 19, 2006 6:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

And by the way "Mr Earl" president of the internet, did you see how he attacked me first? Do you see how he is threatening me? A respected and longstanding member of your community? What the fuck are talking about? This guy comes off like an angry tennaged myspace punk and I'm the bad guy just because you'e known him longer? Before you take someone's side make sure you they are on the side of righteousnes before labeling yourself in their brand. I thought it was all over with and he started it back up by being an internet toughguy, which is pointless anyway. I m sorry to all that it spilled into the other posts but I AM SURE MOST WILL AGREE that coming off like this is some secret society that cannot be entered by the infidels is appalling and unwarranted. I apologize to everyone on here but the person who threatend and insulted me UNPROVOKED. This is NOT the wayt things were at the shows you talk about on here at all and I honestly cannot believe this.. All jokes aside... this is fucked up... I hope others take a stand and speak out against this... the truth is clearly documented in the posts... again... I should have let it go a long time ago and been the bigger person...

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Poster: Dancinbears Date: Nov 19, 2006 7:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

Well TT, I feel a little responsible here.... I had read your 1st original post, and I think I was the only person who understand that you were taking some really good shit, and therefore wasn't clear on the dates. But many a time balloons came by me at shows and I was just wondering what you would have wrote on them. My post was not meant to be sarcastic or smart, but I was genuinely laughing and remembering, and asked because I was curious.
Even though you have said now that you do not feel you are a deadhead, I consider myself one. And as one I'm sorry if I have had any cause at all in what just happened here on this forum.
~dancinbears
www.deadhook.com

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 19, 2006 7:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

dont feel bad - " I live for this shit" (Samuel Jackson??)
It is all in good fun - i think me and TTG will be cool in due time - not sure about ButtNoiseMaker though - he is a moron.

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Nov 20, 2006 4:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

This entire thread remuinds me of the drunken rednecks; who used to fight on their CB radios about 30 years ago. Some have traded their microphes for a keyboard

"This "I'm gonna kick your @ss" talk is very old. Gun threats are made by fools, who assume that nobody else has one to shoot back in their faces.

Butt Noise Maker can apply his trade at www.fart.com...

This post was modified by cousinkix1953 on 2006-11-20 12:56:28

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Nov 20, 2006 6:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

I was trying to calm things down and you guys turn on me? Attacking me is not cool on several levels but it doesn't matter to me because I know I contribute some good free music and fight corporate control of media. At least listen to some of the songs before you put me down. Check out these for example:

http://www.archive.org/download/Path_to_Sunshine/mongol.mp3
http://www.archive.org/download/NoKarate/nokarate.mp3
http://www.archive.org/download/Reoccurence/125recurrence.mp3
http://www.archive.org/download/Wasted_Youth/wastedyouth95.mp3
http://www.archive.org/download/Ticklish_/guitar_ticklish.mp3
http://www.archive.org/download/Wide_You_Kill_Me/creativeblockwideyoukillme.mp3
http://www.archive.org/download/Lord_of_The_Weeds/LordoftheWeeds.mp3
http://www.archive.org/download/Quagmire_2/quagmire.mp3
http://www.archive.org/download/embolism/Embalism.mp3

This is just a small sampling... sorry for the quality of some of the MP3's which is about the only thing relevant to this topic... some of these are not the final masters but rough cuts... Listen close and you might hear some GD influence lurking in there...

As for Dancinbear, you are a voice of reason in a roomful of chaos. Your reply was reasonable and welcomed because it was funny. I was there when he was writing shit on the balloons and it was hilarious. Most people looked at them and chuckled and showed it to the person next to them. I had a blast at shows and it shouldn't be about "excluding" people because they are not "deadheads" if you read the posts, you'll see it was strictly a clash between him and Direwolf and since everyone was ganging up on Telephone Toughguy as this crap spilled into other forum posts, I had to step in. Wouldn't you step in to help a friend?

Anyway they buried the hatchet so all should be well right? Please feel free to comment on my music... after you listen to it. Thanks, and we'll leave your forum alone now...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 20, 2006 7:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

Hey man, I just sampled parts of each of those tunes. Gotta say, i like them. I'm pretty impressed and am going to go back to them tomorrow to give a fuller listen. Very different sound - a bit too tired to fully explain my thoughts, but many different influences seem to pervade those songs. Thanks for posting them and sharing.

And you're right - me and TT buried the hatchet (atleast on my end) - from the sounds of it, he was having a blast too :)

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Nov 19, 2006 5:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

I am making porn right now with your family.. and they suck in bed... literally.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 19, 2006 5:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

i agree - that is why she is my ex wife - have fun man

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Nov 23, 2006 9:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

NoiseCollector & TT: What's up with the "sounds from the parking lot" request? - that's what you were looking for a while ago right? - You've got a unique project goin' and it's one of the more unusual requests I've seen so what do you do with noise you collect? --- Thanks, - Ashes


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Poster: americanhippos Date: Nov 19, 2006 9:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

Um...How about this? You can LISTEN to MP3s.

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Nov 19, 2006 9:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

you can listen to lossless to,once it's coverted to wave.i find lossless a little better sounding on the low end.i mainly use mp3 for latter day recordings,and lossless for bootlegs.but if you can't get in lossless,mp3 does the trick but i can still hear a big difference.

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Poster: americanhippos Date: Nov 23, 2006 8:32am
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lol, you have no idea what you're talking about. You can convert these useless FLACs to MP3s, and a lot quicker than just-as-useless WAVs. Get a grammar tutor before you come back by the way, the word is TOO.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 23, 2006 8:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

no neeed to be ruude about grammar. What, the thought police next?
Flac & Looseless are great because they are the best source to wave and have the MD5 checksum-trip- not corrupt like some attitude's. Why don't you post at some flame-ass site? Most of us here are over 13 years old.
Have a nice day! Gotta go

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Poster: americanhippos Date: Nov 23, 2006 4:27pm
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Ha! The classic assumption/denouncing of age defense! You're dumber than you're trying to come out as. Trying to divert me from pointing out your failure in the grammar world to keep me from REDUCING YOUR CREDIBILITY. Walk away right now, you have been stripped of your right to post.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 23, 2006 6:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

this is a forum dude, not a english composition class - take your elitist 12 year old hokey ass out of our forum and suck a turkey gizzard (i know your used to suckin better, but it is turkey day). and just for good measure, kinda go away where someone else other than your mama actually cares about wipin your ass. cya dude

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Poster: americanhippos Date: Nov 23, 2006 6:51pm
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You are a walking forum cliche; The attempted diversion from your own idiocy, the branding me as a young kid (I'm in my twenties and pounds more mature than you)and the homosexuality reference. I am actually gay, yet I take no offense to your 6th grade joke because you have proven to be less of a man than me and less of a human being.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 23, 2006 6:58pm
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i am alot more than a walkin cliche man, trust me (though i am that too) - gonna defend my friends man from a newbie (which you are on our forum) - dont care if you are queer or not - aint my business and dont' really care - just watch your mouth round my turf and round my friends - all im sayin

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Poster: americanhippos Date: Nov 23, 2006 7:54pm
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Speak coherently, please. I think you may have had a gangsta flash, or perhaps you just wanted to confuse me.

You have succeeded.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 23, 2006 7:57pm
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not tryin to confuse - i am the one they leave on the 20' leash off the front porch. please join us if you wish to have meaningful discussion of the dead ( or whatever else we discuss) - just no unwarranted attacks especially due to grammar (i am an english major and even i do not care about grammatical sensibilities on a fun internet forum). we do not nitpick here about those things - please respect that and join us in our discussion group. you are very welcome here if you can abide by that very simple request. a very happy holiday to you man and please provide your input within our group - the more the merrier in a kind way. Ok man????

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Poster: americanhippos Date: Nov 24, 2006 6:46am
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from '12 year old hokey ass' to 'you're very welcome here'

Fine then...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 24, 2006 7:50am
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schizophrenia is a wonderful pasttime :)

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Poster: cush11 Date: Nov 24, 2006 8:26am
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Good Wolf! I remember how wise I was in my twenties...

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Poster: mudcatbluez Date: Nov 24, 2006 4:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

Are we doing this kinda crap again?

Me? I've got 4 PEN America Center Awards for my writing. I've been featured in over 2 dozen anthologies & journals and have lectured at 4 major universities on my short stories...so please, if you're feeling your literary beans, jump, hippo-boy!

I haven't been posting long, but I've been lurking these parts for a while now & I've noticed something: this is a Deadhead forum, not an English Comp class. If I'm polishing up a piece for submission, I hold my writing to an entirely different standard than I do here. Here I'm hanging out & checking out the postings of folks I've come to genuinely appreciate. And I write how I damn well please.

As for being a forum cliche, check this out, dude: a largely-unknown "face" comes into this forum packing all sorts of attitude & then gets all sniffly & indignant when he finds himself accomidated, outnumbered & outclassed. Seems to be becoming very much a cliche around these parts of late...and like your fellow travelers, you had the poor judgment & bad manners to go after a well-regarded member of this forum. I've been reading Dire's & Tiger's posts for quite a while now and, yes, we kinda like having them around.

So who the fuck are you?

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Poster: cush11 Date: Nov 24, 2006 11:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

Very well said, thank you for not deleting it. I've been biting my tongue here a bit myself lately, don't want to encourage them... but do want to rip on them. It can be entertaining though. No matter how pretty the scenery, smooth water eventually gets boring.

OK, now i'm really saying goodnight!

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Poster: madness.productions Date: Nov 25, 2006 2:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

MP3 is nice and small, lossless is good but is to big :S

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 24, 2006 6:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

"Me? I've got 4 PEN America Center Awards for my writing. I've been featured in over 2 dozen anthologies & journals and have lectured at 4 major universities on my short stories..."

are you serious man????? very nice!!!! if i may be so bold, and you be so willing, i would like to check out some of your writing - i'm seriously interested. If you could point me in the direction of where you have been published that would be great (hopefully i can find it due to my current limited mobility) - please email me at direwolf0701 at yahoo dot com. I really really look forward to hearing from you if you would be so kind - love checking out new literary artists!!!!

This post was modified by direwolf0701 on 2006-11-25 02:49:35

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Poster: mudcatbluez Date: Nov 24, 2006 10:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

Actually I am serious, though I don't know how literary I ever became. I almost deleted the above post because it felt as if all I were really doing was answering some nimrod's sanctimony with a brand of my own...just seems there's been a lot of folks lately slinking in & looking for a scrap. I will shoot you off an e-mail most tic.

Peace.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 25, 2006 8:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

thanks man - didnt' come across that way to me at all - i really am interested in your works (english major that i am) - lookin forward to hearing from you in the near future.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Nov 19, 2006 9:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

By defifnition MP3's are "lossy" technology, but if the byte count is high enough, they're absolutely fine for home stereo use. Sugarmegs DL's are 40kbs and the sound is significantly depressed versus most other sites that have a 158kbs or higher quality.

It's been my impression that most of the loss occurs in the higher frequencies, so things like cymbals don't have the clarity with a lower kbs recording.

Another thing to remember is that even SBD recordings were created in a live environment and most have little or no post recording enhancements. While lossless versions will have an "expanded" feel, sonically they still depended on the quality of the original analog recording for reproduction purposes when digitized. Most MP3's give a very fair representation of sound reproduction and recording technology from 35 years ago.

I don't trade and have a limited scope of interest, so the format works well for my purposes.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 19, 2006 10:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

Thanks--appreciate those insights. I have detected that some of my disdain for latter day shows (75-95) stems from the mixing in that even a DPs isn't as rich or full as I would like it to be, if that makes sense, even though it is a higher quality production item in sonic terms.

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Poster: Cranky1 Date: Nov 19, 2006 10:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

I began my Dead collection with mp3's while I still had a dialup connection and I enjoyed them as treasure, and still do. I listen on my mp3 player and on my cd player that reads mp3 files. (As an aside, my family appreciates that I use the 'personal' devices as they aren't into my taste in music.) Now that I have broadband, I still use those devices but when I find a great mp3 concert, I hunt it down as a torrent or at GDLive. The SBD's sound is, as I think Arbuthnot said, clearer and fuller. I also will dl the shn's from the archive for a particularly good AUD and I find this is an enhancement over the mp3. Overall though, mp3's have been and are of great value and pleasure to me.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 19, 2006 12:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

Of course lossless is better but I'd bet money a lot of people who think they can tell the difference really can't. People here are real cool but go mention MP3 on Dead Net and see what happnes. Holy shit are people hardcore. Oh well better to be honest. One thing I think people forget ESPECIALLY the youngest ones is how good we have it. Remember when you had to actually WORK to get shows then wait around only to get something sped up or with a ton or hiss?

Speaking of Sugar Megs - thanks for the tip on lesser quality however there are some things there that aren't ANYWHERE else such as Hot Tuna. Anyone know how to divide the tracks up? I tried Audacity once but found it way too hard. I'm not a recording engineer fercryinoutloud.

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Poster: mudcatbluez Date: Nov 19, 2006 11:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

I feel I've built a respectable, or at least livable, collection over recent years, both store-bought and DL. My computer's a bit archaic (steam-powered, held together with duct tape, etc.) and has always had a hard time with lossless files. My teeneaged niece/tech support could explain why much more clearly than I...I'm technologically retarded and she affectionately refers to my computer as "one step above junk." Yes, yes, it's true but the old gal's been serving me well...and it's given me an enduring appreciation for a Hewlitt-Packard burner.
Almost to the point of exclusion, all my DL's have been in MP3 and I cherish them. To paraphrase many of the others, from this & past threads: "having it on MP3 is a whole lot better than not having it at all..." Damn skippy. The SBD copies especially can still pack a tasty little punch--and they do. Lossy format or not, the Boys still manage to steal my face.
Earlier on up this thread, Arbuthnot was making his comparisons and he's dead right (Dead right?)...he recently hooked me up with a couple '68 Avalon shows in Lossless format and...oh my sweet Jesus! I've got piles of "official release" stuff from the Dead & others that don't sound that good. (Thank you again, guy!!!)
I think a decent MP3 can be rather like the family dog: he may be scruffy & may not be pure-bred but he can sure be loyal & nice having around.
Peace.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 19, 2006 12:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MP3 vs lossless

Thanks; I am happy to feel the support here so that I no longer beat myself up for having all the MP3s, but I am taking the plunge by attempting (ahem) to download the software to convert the shns I have of the 13 Oct 68 show so I can experience just what you describe. Wish me luck...